Tuesday, February 27, 2007

Brad Boyes, Brad Boyes what ya going to do...

Brad Boyes has been traded to the St-Louis Blues for offensive defenceman Dennis Wideman. This is after earlier reports today that Boyes had been taken off the market. I have to go on the bus now so I will discuss more when I get back home.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

kudos on the headline!

4:16 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger jimbuff said...

I don't get this trade.

Wideman* hasn't put up any offenceive numbers since coming to the NHL - 46 pts. in 122 games.

Defenceivly he is no better as he is perrenially in the negatives (however, this may be more a result of always being on St. Louis).

Boyes, although having an off year, is a skilled player who has played well at this level. Not that I mind seeing him go - it is just that I don't think we got equal value for him.

*I admit I don't know much about Wideman so I hope he proves me wrong.

4:34 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger Draft Dodger said...

I'm not all that up on Wideman either, but this seems like it slants pretty well towards the Blues. St Louis, in my opinion, has done very very well with their trades.

6:43 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger number4bobbyorr said...

I think what we have seen today is PC doing his best to give Lewis the kind of players he needs to make his system work while giving up as little as possible in the process.

Looking back at his moves in the last few months it seems PC is conservative. Knowing that he is not dealing from a position of strength, he walks the tightrope, making the little deals that make the pieces fit better. It seems to me that under the circumstances that is the best that can be done.

The worry is the usual one; if Lewis fails down the line we'll have to start over and likely adopt a new system (and presumably find new players to fit it). What troubles me about that is that PC has talked about imitating the Sabres, while his coach is clearly in the Wings camp. Only time (and number of wins) will tell if they will eventually have a falling out.

6:51 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger TreeBob said...

Well I don't think it slants towards either team yet. Boyes underperformed, and Wideman is doing better than he did last year (2 points less than last season). For defencmen points he is 50th overall, while for forwards Boyes is 127th.

I know that is not an amazing comparison but give the guy a chance before you diss him. He is basically Mara's replacement on the power play, and he will not be a godsend on defence. That is why we got Ward, they are complete opposites (Ward=PK, Wideman=PP).

I think this is your first time commenting here, welcome!

7:00 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger TreeBob said...

Well, If Lewis "fails" then the team does not have to start over. Sure they will have to learn a new system, but PC is not making a team for Lewis. He is making a team. It is like you said he is doing the best he can without getting rid of all his draft picks and farm.

Well now that our defence is NHL level again, we need to concentrate on picking up some good forwards in the off-season. I know that we proabbly won't make the playoffs and I am happy that PC traded players we would loose for players we'll have for at least one more. year.

7:19 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger Rich Horton said...

I'm a Blues fan so I can tell you guys are getting a decent player in Wideman.

Jimbuff: I wouldn't worry about his offensive numbers. Folks in STL wouldn't put the kid on the top PP unit for the longest time. If they had given him the PP time he deserved (and remember the Blues were truly dreadful last year) DW would have 20+ more points.

His problem is DEFENSIVELY. Dumb passes in the denfensive zone killed him. But that can be taught.

So dont get down on DW. He will help. Who doesn't need a defenseman who can move the puck and has a good idea of when to pinch?

All that being said, I'm ecstatic about getting Boyes. You don't get potential 30 goal scorers in a heads up deal like this very often.

8:52 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger number4bobbyorr said...

"Sure they will have to learn a new system, but PC is not making a team for Lewis."

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Think about Mara and Boyes: why did they do poorly this year? I think it's the coach and the system.

Particualrly in Mara's case: he has complained about how he wasn't getting a chance to play like he did in Pheonix, where he was expected to score goals. I think that means more than just ice time. I think it's the system. He didn't fit in.

What any coach wants are players who buy into his system and execute it well. In trade for Mara we get a guy who came of age in the same system Lewis is using--a guy who, for instance, leads his team in blocked shots. See my point?

I see people complaining about how so-and-so doesn't get the ice time he should and the coach is an idiot, etc. It seems clear to me that a good coach simply gives the ice time to the players who are doing what he tells them to do. If you don't get on that train, it's going to leave without you and you are eventually going to find yourself in a new jersey (if not New Jersey).

Right now I agree with PC. We need to let Lewis try his thing. There's no way I'm going to be like the impatients who already want a new coach. But that doesn't mean that come two years from now we won't be trading players who no longer fit into our new coaches system...

9:03 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger number4bobbyorr said...

"His problem is DEFENSIVELY. Dumb passes in the denfensive zone killed him."

Big sigh...

I sure hope they know what they are doing. I have a hunch Brad Boyes is going to be the next Brian Rolston...


9:09 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger TreeBob said...


This is a comparison of the 4 players dealt today to and from the Bruins. I might have posted this already but whatever. :)

number4 I agree with everything you said.
I hate people who whine about Lewis. We had problems on this team this year and I am not ready to blame Lewis just yet. Go read some of the comments at Russ's (bruins report) site, they are loosing it.

9:38 p.m., February 27, 2007  
Blogger Sean Zandberg said...

Dennis Wideman=

1:13 p.m., February 28, 2007  
Blogger Sean Zandberg said...

Pretty scary, huh? :)

8:28 p.m., February 28, 2007  
Blogger Miss. Scarlett said...

Boyes is a very good young player and I'm sad to see that he's been to so many teams in a relatively young career.

I have a soft spot in my heart for him since he's from my hometown.

12:33 a.m., March 01, 2007  
Blogger Doobie said...

I'm kind of skeptical about all this. I think Spoked B Airlines (the official airlines serving the Bruins playoff hopes) has been grounded until further notice.

6:09 a.m., March 01, 2007  
Blogger Russ said...

You might not be ready to blame Lewis, but I am :-) Not that I'm giving Chiarelli too much slack, either. His Bochenski deal so far has been fantastic - so why does Lewis drop B-Bo to the 4th line? I also thought the deal with Calgary was very good as well. Based on some of the assets sent around at the deadline, I'm now *really* disappointed in the 4th we got for Jurcina, especially seeing as it might be gone to Calgary if B-Stu doesn't re-sign there.

7:14 a.m., March 01, 2007  
Blogger number4bobbyorr said...

"...so why does Lewis drop B-Bo to the 4th line?"

Because he ticked him off? Or stopped listening? Or goofed off during practice? Remember, coaching in the NHL is primarily people management. It isn't NHL 2007... The players have to respect the coaches and listen to them. If not, then it's all over. The primary tool of the coach to get a player's attention is to put him on the 4th line or sit him out altogether. As far as I can tell Lewis is just doing his job. Is it a coincidence that Boyes play picked up after he was relagated to the 4th line?

Remember when the B's had one of the worst power plays in the NHL? And a near to last PK? Remember when they'd completely melt down when another team put on the pressure in their zone? Who do you think desevres the credit for those turn arounds? I think for the most part the coaching staff does.

Give Dave a chance. Judge him by results, not what you think is best--unless you have experience as an NHL coach. If so, I'm all ears.

1:23 p.m., March 01, 2007  

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